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Emerging economies such as China are justified in holding back on fighting greenhouse gas emissions until richer polluters like the United States do more to solve the problem, former Vice President Al Gore said Wednesday.
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pc251 year, 6 months ago
How can you people take anything this man says seriously? a man who is a tobacco farmer, who has extensive investments in gold and copper mines, a man whose family has considerable ties with OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM. Another example of liberal hypocrisy........Do as I say not as I do.
Thee Facts....
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a391d17f80f34.ht
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
PC25 WROTE:
"How can you people take anything this man says seriously?"
That's exactly why he should be taken seriously. Gore has nothing to gain and everything to lose by devoting his life to spreading the scientific conclusions regarding global warming. His situation is certainly less of a conflict-of-interest than hired guns of Exxon, Chevron, etc. who are paid for the sole purpose of disputing the mountain of evidence supporting anthropogenic global warming.
It is analogous to his tobacco background. Gore didn't choose to buy a tobacco farm; he was born into a tobacco family. He later became a vocal critic of the tobacco industry wen his sister Nancy Gore died of lung cancer. He had nothing to gain by taking on big tobacco, and everything to lose--in fact, in the 2000 election, he lost his home state due in part to his anti-tobacco stance. That takes courage.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3798/i
Thanks for making that point clear.
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
Some people are referring to "hundreds of scientists" who disagree!
Are these scientists the same ones who were bought by the current administration by paying $10,000 a pop?
Sounds about right - $200 Million or so, to "BUILD" scientific opinions!
This has to be the most cynical, mean-spirited and dastardly plot to perpetuate scientific lies!
Why should we be surprised? That is what these bast**ds do!
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vikes841 year, 6 months ago
I'll thrid that. I'll take my advice on climate change from someone who didn't get a D in natural science, thank you very much!!!
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
The difference, of course, is that Bush's fearmongering was demonstrated to be based on faulty evidence: there were no operational ties between Saddam and Osama, Iraq had no active WMD program, and the Iraq invasion Bush called for was largely unilateral.
Gore's warnings on anthropogenic global warming are based on the conclusions of the near-consensus scientific literature, certified by thousands of scientists worldwide. His call for action is also not unilateral in nature. Scientists around the world are calling for conservation, reduction of hydrocarbon combustion, and research into environmentally friendly, renewable energy.
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moortiez1 year, 6 months ago
More republican slime self perpetuating lies. Al gore never said this. He never uttered those words. RIght wing morons are just upset that gore has been right about every substantive point at issue for years now, and their fuhrer, BUSH has been disasterously and criminally wrong. These people are so intellectually dishonest and incurious, they don't even care what the facts are. They look around for lies to repeat, instead.
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vikes841 year, 6 months ago
Why can't the lefties get the fact that there are two arguments. One is is there global warming, the other is the global warming man made. BIG difference.
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questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
halko,,,in ur private reply u said u dont dismiss global warming u just hate when it gets politicalized...
and i agree, all americans need to work on this together,and i agree we shouldnt further damage the economy to do it,but to find a solution we need to TALK,COMPRIMISE,
how can we do that if half of the american peops wont admit its happening?
the u of i in champaign has actually converted hog manure to a dieseal fuel,seems to me if we went further and developed that tech and agreed to reduce emissions outta the semis we would be killing 2 birds with one stone, i mean the hogs r gonna poop either way..lol(less dependance on foriegn oil,more money to pay for better emissions control)
a huge thing that enviros want addressed is how the new coal plants r built..we as americans r just silly if we dont build them in the best poss way to put off the least harmful emmissions
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questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
y do u have so lil faith in american technology and engenuity?,,,why cant we figure out ways to protect the ozone layer and still have a good economy?
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Centinel1 year, 6 months ago
How many videos of ice shelves breaking away have been used in advertising cruises? Could not these be used to create a "realistic" video? Check out the amazingly realistic fiction movies created recently. All that albatros Gore needs tp do is hire some professionals to make a "realistic" movie to scare the hell out of gullible, uneducated, science ignorant people.
Nuff said!!!
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deathray1 year, 6 months ago
I'm not entirely sure that China and India should get a pass; they are really destroying their own environments and polluting, in an attempt t get to where the US is, which would require cleaning their industry up...of course, that would add significant capital costs to their industrialization, so they are willing to kill of a percentage of their already large populations to achieve economic parity with the already industrialized nations.
On the other hand, the US should lead by example...
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questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
the time to address china,it seems to me is when they were entering the wto,that all happened the same week as 9-11 so they got a free pass,as americans we already cant compete with them because of enviro laws and having to pay health ins for workers(and that americans cant live on slave wages)dont misunderstand im not saying we should ease up on envro laws im saying we have to look at what pressure we can put on china,india and other big polluters to level the playing feild
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JustCallMeV1 year, 6 months ago
"While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." - Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
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Spadecaller1 year, 6 months ago
No nation "should" get a "pass", but China is not a country that will bend to foreign pressure; they never do.
Like most things, the best way to teach is by example and we are the biggest source of man made pollution in the world.
Better that we start cleaning our side of the street first. When China gets hit by more fires and floods, their attitude will problably change on its own.
That same lesson applies to us, as well. As more catastrophic weather events kill, cripple, and destroy property, the willingness to face these issues will increase. Greed continues to trump wisdom and hopefully our instinct for self-preservation will emerge before it is too late.
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bill29361 year, 6 months ago
"As more catastrophic weather events kill"
You going to make the Hurricane predictions like the 'global warming' experts did last year?
"Like most things, the best way to teach is by example and we are the biggest source of man made pollution in the world. "
Maybe you should set a personal example. Give up all crude oil products.
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GoldStandard1 year, 6 months ago
"We are the biggest source of man made pollution in the world."
That's a statement requiring factual back-up. You're telling me that despite all the production-cutting shackles that have been clamped on industry in the U.S. over the last thirty years, that China, India, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc. are cleaner than we are?
"Better that we start cleaning our side of the street first. When China gets hit by more fires and floods, their attitude will problably change on its own."
So you want to eliminate MORE jobs and cut MORE production in this country? Haven't the middle class suffered enough? And I really would like to hear how you know which fires and floods were a direct result of human waste in this country.
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
Gold,
Yes, we are, based upon our consumption of fossil fuel, coal burning power plants, industrial waste and an insatiable hunger for energy.
If we think that by cutting pollution, we will stand in the poverty line, we must be harboring a defeatist attitude!
Technology is showing us the way out of this dilemma. We have the leadership in wind, solar and fuel cell technology, as also geothermal energy. Most people don't know this, but just 6 to 8 feet below ground level lies the inexhaustible supply of energy. The soil temperature at that level is always constant, at between 50 and 55 degrees Fahrenheit, and it can be tapped to heat and cool our homes, schools, office buildings, factories and our mega-malls at less than one-third the cost! We are leaders in this technology and currently it is taking off in a big way!
Yes! We can and will lead in these areas in the 21st Century!
Peace and Blessings!
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NotVulgarName1 year, 6 months ago
Whether we are or are not the biggest source of man made pollution in the world is pretty much a moot point when we know for a fact that there is an incredible amount of polution.
I think the Ingenuity of Americans is the perfect example of why we should take the charge in establishing the cleanest industries as possible. I do believe that the US is the greatest nation in attracting and leveraging the smartest brains from anywhere in the world.
We can develop entire industries and jobs/careers around technologies that will clean up this world for us and the all of the other countries. This could kick start a technological/manufacturing boom for the US if approached with the correct attitude.
And a solid Hell No! to China, India or anywhere else in the world should be given a free card out of the Kyoto treaty. We should sign it as soon as everywhere else does.
By the way, Gore is still an Internet "inventing" ijut.
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Centinel1 year, 6 months ago
We have been cleaning up our side of the street for 40 years. Stack scrubbers, polution limits on automotive exhaust, nuclear power plants, clean water act, clean air act, freon recycling and banning, new refrigerants, open burning bans, etc...
We are doing something. In fact we have done more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than any other country of the world through the regulatory process. What are the other nations doing? Demanding money from us so they can catch up to us.
We are no longer the greatest poluters on the planet. Wahe up world. Stop trying to RIP US OFF already. Al Gore should be ...
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NotVulgarName1 year, 6 months ago
We should stop giving them money so they can catch up to us. Why in the world do we want them catching up to us anyways? Let them come up with their own resources to deal with the problems.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 6 months ago
DR, I agree with you regarding China, I watched a program recently filmed in China about how badly polluted they all ready are.
In their case it is already to late, all the water in that country has been polluted, there are no fish in the water, they use the water to irrigate the arid fields contaminating the crops and live stock. The crops and live stock are then sold at the markets and the Chinese people are eating it. This is a serious food chain contamination and within 10-20 years you will see a very sick country full of cancer and other diseases.
I don't see them ever becoming a super power, they will go the route of Russia and will fail because industry has taken over control of their country and we all know what happens when government supports industry.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
No country in the world should get a 'pass', waiting for the US to make what they consider the 'first move' toward trying to correct the damage done to the environment. It's not just the job of the US, it is the job of every nation in the world to fix this. Our environment didn't get in the shape it's in with only the US's use of green house gases.
Great post EE. I wish i had seen that program.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 6 months ago
n2n, TY, it was on either Discovery or National Geographic, since they always repeat shows I will let you know when it is on again. It was 3 shows each 1 hour long about the development of China and it's cost to the people and environment.
It really exposed the truth about China. Corporations are moving there because of the lax in environmental law and government siding with them. Corporations are buying up farm land and building factories, this is displacing a lot of families that have been forced to flee into the major cities causing more poverty.
We think the "made in china" is a cheap thing, but what it has done is eliminated their farming land into industrial centers so now they are forced to try and farm in the arid regions. This is one screwed up country that is literally killing itself.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
"Emerging economies such as China are justified in holding back on fighting greenhouse gas emissions until richer polluters like the United States do more to solve the problem"
What am I missing???
US$500 billion deficit that the US administration is running, a further US$47 trillion in unfunded long-term commitments for US Social Security and the federally funded Medicare
Almost half of the US Treasury bonds are now owned in Asia - mostly the Chinese
"all Beijing has to do is to mention the possibility of a sell order going down the wires. It would devastate the US economy more than any nuclear strike the Chinese could manage at the moment." Quote from the Asia Times Online
Now tell me why Gore doesn't think China needs to start cleaning up their pollution????
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ONEMEMPHISDUDE1 year, 6 months ago
As usual. When in doubt, follow the money trail. Al owes a bunch to the Chinese Gov. They helped him become V.P. (illegal campaign contributions). "If we would just lead the way as an example to other countries..." What a load of Bogus Hogwash.
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Amazing11 year, 6 months ago
"Never before has all of civilization been threatened," Gore said. "We have everything we need to save it, with the possible exception of political will. But political will is a renewable resource."
I don't think anyone should get a pass and that we ALL should be doing everything we can right now. You, me, the government, the other nations of the world and your next door neighbor. We have not yet felt the effects of all the pollution with which we have poisoned the earth. If we stopped polluting right now, the planet would still take a decade to manifest the effects of our past actions.
And if you don't agree there's a problem, well conserve anyway. It only makes sense. If I'm wrong, and there is no problem, I will personally engrave my mea culpas to any I have offended.
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
Amazing1,
As always, very well put!
The latest scientific assessment is that the next 40 to 50 years are cast in stone! Any positive changes we make now will start shifting the effect of global warming after that time. So, we are at a tipping point! We must take action now! The extreme climates we are facing are caused by El Nino, which has a direct relationship to global warming! More drastic climate changes are on the way!
You can hide the rooster but you can't stop the Sun from rising! Save the blame game for the next century. Right now, we have work to do to save our planet!
Peace and Blessings!
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
For the more scientifically minded people, here is a draft of the recent UN Global warming report. It was taken directly from the FOX news network, so neocons and conservatives alike can't claim bias. Happy reading!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/SPM2feb07.pdf
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
B. S. The guidelines for review and editing are based on ensuring the information is accurate and based on scientific fact. It was balanced with research done from developed and underdeveloped nations to insure that political meddling was minimal. To read the guidelines for editing go to:http://...">http://www.ipcc.ch/about/app-a.pdf">to:http://...<
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
I would also like to know the names of those "Scientists" that posed those "questions".
Are they, by any chance, the "Scientists" bought out at $10,000 each by the Bush White House?
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
Lot better than one particular Harvard Business School "graduate" who is currently destroying the future of our country!
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newsquew1 year, 6 months ago
Nobel nominee Gore needs to take his show on the road to China & India where there are billions needing to hear his message. By staying in the west (toasty warm Spain), he's pretty much preaching to the choir.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
They get those talking points from their talking heads on radio and TV.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 6 months ago
Blair is not the head of state.
The entire Royal Family flies on private jets, they can't fly together in case of a threat or crash, they have security details and issues. GGeezz......get real people this is a dangerous world we live in.
Can you imagine Gore getting on a commercial jet, all the press and people would just hound him.
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Searchbeam1 year, 6 months ago
The Royal family robs from the till! Very little is left for "Commoners" like Tony the "phony" Blair!
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PatrioticAmerican1 year, 6 months ago
i want to know what makes gore an expert on global warming, and i also want to know why when he was the VP, didnt he care about the "Global warming" issue as much as he does now, i think it is because he is trying to become popular with the tree huggers and the plant eaters so if he does decide to run in 08 he will have their vote.
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PatrioticAmerican1 year, 6 months ago
And also i dont hear about him walking to these speaking engaments, i wonder how is is getting their with out burning fuel and contributing to the "Problem" that he says we all face
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
Gore is just a messenger. The scientists from 130 countries are the experts. Refute their report. Here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/SPM2feb07.pdf
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