Science – Tells 60 Minutes That Doubting Global Warming Is Manmade Is Akin To Believing Earth Is Flat
The very best possible analogy.
OTOH maybe it would be marvellous if the earth WAS flat.
Then this same people would DENY that and would fall off!
Well gama... it may be apt. But its not winning these people over that he needs to convince, now is it? Gore is doing more harm then good with statements like this. He should consider a run for a Senate seat or try to become a "dark horse" of sorts for the Presidency if he really wishes to change policy in any way.
Al seems to forget that this is not the internet he invented. British Courts have already ruled against his claims. He is free to put his information out for peer review, but he cannot just shout down his detractors. Bad science is junk science.
The drooling over a carbon tax needs to go elsewhere. Oh yea Al, start living as green as you feel everyone else needs to live.
Don't worry. Gore likes to ignore the fact that there is still debate (shown here on Propeller previously) and, as is the Democratic philosophy, demand command and control of the everyone. Well, we have a story to "outrage" us about a gay guy not able to change their last name (silly ruling, to be sure), but having the government control the temp in your house, the car you drive, the lighbulbs you use, taking your money to pay for various things is not intrusive...
So, you have a problem with the government getting involved with asbestos, DDT, dioxin, lead based paint, dumping of chemicals, immunizations for diseases, safer cars and regulating the sale of alcohol and cigarettes as well? Think about it.
Actually, I have a problem with the hypocricy of people whining about the government getting involved with the definition of marriage, but then not caring that government wants to control in every other aspect of life.
I think you should think about it some more. The people that want the marriage definition to mean any two (or more) consenting adults want the government to stay out of the morality business. While those who want marriage to be defined strictly between one man and one woman want government to be involved in the morality business. They are opposite sides of the same coin and both involve the government.
If you want the government to stay out of every part of our lives, that's fine with me, but I don't want to hear any whining from the political right when the anvil drops on the other foot.
If you want the government out of the marriage business, that's fine by me. I'll tell you what, why don't we do it this way. Every adult human that is capable of consent can get a license to marry whomever they want. The government stays out of it. Does that sound okay to you?
People like or dislike "intrusive" government depending on where they stand.
Asbestos was way way way overdone and you know it.
The government is getting ready to charge you for the air you breath ... the last great frontier that we are not charged for. Your babies will be paying for the air they breath their entire lives.
And it's OK with you ... all because some ice is melting in the world.
>>Your babies will be paying for the air they breath their entire lives.... all because some ice is melting in the world
No, simon. We'll be paying for the air we breathe because people who don't want emissions controlled & pollution levels lowered will allow so much crap in our air that we'll HAVE to buy bottled air to breathe.
Either you are very young or very blind and obtuse. The quality of the air we breathe has improved dramatically in the last 30 years. I don't think there are too many who really want to go back to pre-1970 standards and the concommitant pollution. But, there are also many of us who are not feeling the love for "solutions" that are prohibitively expensive yet yield only incremental results.
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Al Gore says, "Doubting Global Warming Is Manmade Is Akin To Believing Earth Is Flat."
Good turn of phrase, ans very true. There is such a wealth of evidence now that the only way to miss it is to simply refuse to look.
The interview with former Vice President Al Gore can be seen this Sunday evening on 60 minutes (CBS)
So ice melting after an ice age shouldnt be happening? I guess places like Yosemite which was formed by ice glaciers and eventually melted without humans, shouldn't leave you to believe that the world changes and some ice melts and some doesn't. And what about the growing glaciers in Alaska? did Gore miss those?
Ya I think the .8% of C02 that we pump in the atmosphere can have an effect. But the fact is that the earth is warming AND cooling no matter what we do.
Al Gore flying around in Jets and doing interviews on shows that use gas as energy is a little hypocritical. Why doesn't he just go live in Ethiopia so we dont have to hear from this weasel anymore.
I guess that scathing rebuke shows why your name is not "highroad".
Earth routinely changes its climate, DanmLiberals. But not at the rapid rate it is happening in the late 20th and 21st centuries. The current climate change tracks so accurately with the increase in atmospheric CO2 due to human activity that it is clear we are looking at something very different from normal temperature swings between ice ages. http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/climate_dynamics/c...
It's this simple. The IPCC represents the best minds in climate science, and their warning is change course or disaster looms. What if we find ways to stop pumping 7 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggccebro/chapt...
We stop using up non-renewable energy, and find alternatives that are not largely in the hands of our avowed enemies. We put millions of people to work in local, high tech jobs. If the IPCC was wrong, what's the harm?
Now, what if they are right and we decide to ignore their warning?
Lin Zhen-Shan , Sun Xian . Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics . Wien: Jan 2007
"Empirical Mode Decomposition (EMD), is used to diagnose the variation of the annual mean temperature data of the global, Northern Hemisphere and China from 1881 to 2002. The results show that... whether on century-scale or 60-year scales, the global temperature tends to descend in the coming 20 years.
"Despite the increasing trend in atmospheric CO2 concentration, the patterns of 20-year and 60-year oscillation of global temperature are all in falling.Even though the CO2 greenhouse effect on global climate change is unsuspicious, it could have been excessively exaggerated. It is high time to re-consider the trend of global climate changes."
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287...
"R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that 'CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales.'"
Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."
"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."
good old tim patterson from the heartland institute. Anyone associating themselves with a foundation that denies that smoking ciggs is bad for your health has ZERO credibility...
"Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.
"Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet...
"This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.
"Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere."
"Massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere."
Gee, just like THIS winter. Funny how when a cherry tree blooms in DC in January the Church of Global Warming proclaims it evidence of man-mad global warming, yet when we go through one of the longest, coldest winters EVER RECORDED, it's just a part of nature.
Then there are folk like the founder of The Weather Channel calling for Gore to be sued for lying about Global Warming, the nation's first accredited weather expert saying man-made global warming is a farce, and even the head of the IPCC begrudgingly admitting that, yes, it appears global warming stopped when temperatures no longer rose in target cities.
Not to mention members of the much-vaunted IPCC report suing to have their names removed from it and scientists such as U of Colorado's Roger Pielke pointing out massive flaws in the IPCC report's alleged methodology, making any of its conclusions baseless.
but, libsR, these guys are obviously all card-carrying members of the flat-earth society.
lolol
Didnt we already go over this before Libsrfunny in another thread. Roger Pielke BELIEVES in man-made global warming. His only complaint about the IPCC is that they are "Too conservative" with their estimates on everything that man is doing to the environment.. As in he believes the IPCC didnt go FAR ENOUGH....
Here is an interesting and compelling rebuttal for all the ridiculous rebuttals the flat-earthers are floating to claim that ever increasing use of non-renewable resources is a good thing, and 7 billion metric tons of CO2 per year has no impact on the environment.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
So is all gore a climate Speaclist??? because he predicts the waters around Florida to rise 240" and the Experts predict 15-19" so who are you going to believe ??? he also says to cut back on emissions , But how is he getting around the nation and the globe ??? HMMMMMM i wonder. and how much electricity does he use in his way to big house that took lumber which comes from trees that produce oxygen that humans use ??? If u believe gore then u believe in false facts try reading Glenn Becks book that can counter everything Ungreen gore tells you
If you'd have taken the time to read the article, you would've seen that his home was retrofitted with solar panels. And if you would've taken the time to do a LITTLE bit of research, you would've found out that they've extensively renovated their home to make it more energy efficient, AND they pay extra for their utilities provider to supply them with energy from renewable sources.
But it seems like you'd rather do nothing but denigrate someone simply because he has a different political view than you.
well, by all means, if you truly believe that we are just about at the "tipping point" of no return for our environment, the best thing to do is to continue living just as you have been, but to throw money at it, pay more and instruct the little people to drastically change their lifestyles.
And, oh yeah, buy carbon credits.....from ME!
I don't doubt his sincerity a bit, why would anyone else?
He's leading by example. He has renovated his home to make it more energy efficient, and he purchases his energy from renewable sources. And he's asking that others look into doing the same.
AND he's asking governments to rethink their "Consume Now, Damn The Future" attitude towards energy & pollution.
If you have a problem w/planning for the future, there's nothing anyone can do to help you.
so what about his flooding prediction you agree or disagree with his unprofessional flood level or do you believe he is the absolute professional when his Facts are so far off of the pros??? you seem to have avoided that part of the post y is that ????
There are extreme predictions by sides of this issue. I haven't asked him where his flooding estimate originated, and I have heard scientists rebut his alleged levels of rise.
BUT most of the scientists I've heard still do predict flooding - maybe not to the extreme that Gore did, but flooding none the less.
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Remember one thing. There was a time when only one person thought the earth was round. There was such a wealth of evidence...
"Al Gore says, 'Doubting Global Warming Is Manmade Is Akin To Believing Earth Is Flat.'
"Good turn of phrase, ans very true. There is such a wealth of evidence now that the only way to miss it is to simply refuse to look."
Hardly. Plenty of legitimate science proving contrary to the Church of Global Warming. One need only look and it is there. But, why look when you have boobs like the Gore-acle pouring Kool-Aid down your throats? It's so much easier to just "believe in Al."
Polar caps are growing, as are many glaciers in the world, many peer-reviewed scientific studies show global warming in fact has stopped, and man's total contribution of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 3 percent of the total. The problem with the Church of Global Warming is its believers refuse to acknowledge the alternative, and more likely, explanations, such as sun intensity.
Also, why did Gore recommend AGAINST signing on to Kyoto when he headed the US delegation?
I'd really like to see your sources.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-...
"The most commonly cited study by skeptics is a study by scientists from Finland and Germany that finds the sun has been more active in the last 60 years than anytime in the past 1150 years (Usoskin 2005). They also found temperatures closely correlate to solar activity.
However, a crucial finding of the study was the correlation between solar activity and temperature ended around 1975. At that point, temperatures rose while solar activity stayed level. This led them to conclude "during these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming episode must have another source."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09...
"Sunspots alter the amount of energy Earth gets from the sun, but not enough to impact global climate change, a new study suggests."
Well AlGore must know something my brother doesn't. My brother graduated from the 3rd rated Meteorologist College in the country, and works for the E.P.A. He says it is a HOAX all of his Alumni say its A HOAX all of his past professors say its a HOAX all of who are Meteorologists, but somehow The Goracle who is non of these knows all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
ET What evidence. I don't mean your computer mock ups. They've never taken into account weather change. According to Fat Al, we're supposed to be in the midst of a warming period. I live in Milwaukee. Perhaps his fatness would like to join me in clearing the evidence of "global warming" from my drive. We've had over 100" of snow this year and we're over 10 degrees below the norm. That tells me he's not as smart as he'd like you to believe. Then again, this is the same guy who managed to take bribes from Buddhist monks while peeing in the restroom, invented the internet and managed to be the reason for Love story. Al is a charlatan and his religion of global warming is a lie.
hahahaha umm ha. I love it. Every winter we hear it. If there's global warming how come the winters are still so cold!
Well, I live in SE Texas and it's been a very warm winter about 10 degrees above average.
Lets wait and see how much the northern polar ice cap melts this summer. I've read that the CO2 has more of an effect in the dryer climates up there, so lets see if the ice melts further than it did last summer.
Well, I can tell you we've had the worst winter here in over 100 years. So I don't buy the claims of the warming crowd. I have a meteorologist that feels this is simply a weather cycle we're seeing. So who should I listen to. The Rev. Al Gore preaching from his pulpit in the Church of Global Warming. A guy who barely passed the bar exam his second time and was photographed returning from patrol without remembering to take ammo clips or someone who went to school for weather? I'll take the weather person anytime.
I remember during the 1970's when they were sure we were heading for a new Ice Age. Now the same guys using the same programs are claiming we're all going to burn. Here's my idea. We're seeing climate changes as we have since the beginning of time. We had droughts & floods, earthquakes and land slides, feast & famine. Everything has a season, everything has a cycle.
Evidence? http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
When you add heat to a system, it works much like heating a pot of water with a bunch of beads that have a density equal to the water. Before turning on the heat, the beads float quietly at all levels in the pot, pretty evenly dispersed and barely moving. But turn on the heat under the pot and slowly, the beads come to life. They begin to congregate and swirl about. That is the phase we are in. The swirling produces extremes of all kinds of weather. Hot and cold. Drought and flood. Rain and snow. Cyclone and calm. We are seeing all of that.